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|19-11-2010, 10:14||#1 (permalink)|
ICE FAQs - Speakers/Subs/Amps
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Common Types Of Car Audio Speakers
There are a few types of speakers you should be aware of in the car audio world***8230;
Tweeters ***8211; A speaker that produces the high frequencies, they are generally small in physical size and can either be separate from the driver speaker or built in. They look something like this***8230;
Speaker Drivers ***8211; I like to think of this as a small subwoofer, they produce the mid ***8211; low sound frequencies. In general you will have a matched driver and tweeter for a set of speakers. They will look something like***8230;
Coaxial Speakers ***8211; These are pretty much the same as component speaker but the tweeter is mounted in the middle of the speaker driver so the speaker set in all one piece instead of having the tweeter separate. Good quality sets tend to come crossovers much like component speakers. They look something like this***8230;
Component Speakers ***8211; A car speaker that typically has a pair of tweeters and mid based drivers with a crossover to limit the frequency range each speaker must accurately reproduce. The tweeter and driver is separate from one another. It will look something like this***8230;
Subs / Subwoofers ***8211; This is a type of speaker that is purely dedicated to producing the low frequencies of sound. Typically between 8" and 21" in diameter so quite large compared to other types of speakers found in car audio. Generally they are mounted in a box. They look something like this***8230;
6X9***8217;s ***8211; These are essentially a type of coaxial speaker however they tend to use larger drivers to produce more lower frequencies like dedicated a sub woofer with the added benefit of a tweeter.
Crossovers ***8211;These serve the purpose of splitting the audio signal into separate frequency bands, which can be handled by individual loudspeaker drivers optimized for those bands. They tend to look like a small square box but can be round etc as well. They look something like this***8230;
CLASS A This specifies how the power supply and output stage of the amp works,it is the least efficient of all the designs and as such is really only suitable for small power outputs,but is generally regarded as being the most accurate or ***8220;musical***8221; of all.
CLASS B This is the most commonly used of all the amplifier types because it is a lot more efficient than class A,meaning that much higher power outputs can be easily achieved.This design produces more distortion than class A does,and is less linear in its operation,meaning that the output doesn***8217;t always faithfully follow exactly what the input does.
CLASS D The most efficient of all the designs that uses a digitally switched power supply that gives an amp that is a lot smaller than its equivalent class B and also generates a lot less heat,but was always considered to be not as musical giving bass that lacks any real bite or ***8220;oomph***8221;.The newest generation of class Ds are considered to be the next evolution of in-car amplifiers that may soon replace all the other more traditional types,examples of these are the Alpine PDX,Pioneer PRS and the JL Audio HD range due to be with us this summer (2008) that promise to push class Ds up the next level.
EFFICIENCY This is a measure of how good the amplifier is at converting it***8217;s input power into output power,class A are only about 35% efficient (we need about 1400 watts of input to produce 500 watts of output),class B are about 50% efficient (1000 watts in for 500 watts out),and class D are reckoned to give up to 90% efficiency,so that 500 watts will now only need about 550 watts of input,so less strain on your cars charging system.
CROSSOVER Most good amps will now have some sort of crossover built in,if it has two or more channels it should have either a Low Pass Filter (LPF) which cuts off the midrange and above to send just bass to sub which ideally should be variable between about 50Hz and 150Hz,and a High Pass Filter (HPF) that cuts off the bass to the full range channels,ideally variable from about 50Hz up to maybe 200Hz.Not always needed now as more lower priced head units now also come with crossovers built in.
PROTECTION CIRCUIT This refers to the built in device that switches the amp off if it detects a short circuit or a short to earth on the speaker wires,or if the amp should overheat,indicated either by the power on light changing colour or another one lighting up instead.
OUTPUT POWER RMS (Root Mean Square) and peak are the only two true power ratings that actually mean anything.
Peak = RMS X 1.414,so 100 watts RMS also exists at the same time as 141 watts peak
RMS = Peak X 0.707,so 100 watts peak also exists at the same time as 71 watts RMS
IMPEDANCE The range of loads that can be safely connected to the amp,normally they are optimized for use at 4 ohms,and will in theory double their power every time you halve the load impedance,although most will only work down to 2 ohms.
FREQUENCY RESPONSE Normally from about 10Hz up to 30KHz or more,slight differences are of academic interest and won***8217;t be audible.
DISTORTION Anything less than 1% isn***8217;t audible,so there is no point choosing an amp with 0.000001% over one that has ***8220;only***8221; 0.00001 %,in fact some sorts of distortion are good,but these simple figures can***8217;t really tell us anything useful.
S/N RATIO The signal to noise ratio needs to be as big as possible to ensure that the background hiss generated by all electronic circuits is as far below the level of the signal as possible,any good amp should be at least 70dB or more,the best will be over 100dB.
GAIN CONTROL This is actually a misnomer as it doesn***8217;t alter the gain of the amp,it should always be called and used as an input sensitivity control (or level),and NOT as a volume control.Typically it should go down to about 0.5 volts and as high as possible to match up with the ever increasing trend for high output head units,5 volts or more being not uncommon nowadays.
WHAT TYPE OF AMP DO I NEED?
2 CHANNEL Can be used to drive just one pair of full range or component speakers,or front and rear speakers in parallel (you won***8217;t have front/rear fade like this),or bridged to drive a subwoofer.This option is more versatile than a monoblock if you buy an amp just to run a sub which can only do just that,whereas a bridgeable two channel can be used for either purpose.
4 CHANNEL Can be used to drive two pairs of full range or component speakers,and if your source unit has front and rear RCA ouputs then you can still have front/rear fade working.Or you could have front speakers and bridged onto a sub with the amp working in three channel mode and still be able to control the sub as before using the fader.
5 or 6 CHANNEL Can be used to drive a whole system that has front and rear speakers and a subwoofer amplified,all in one neat box without all the extra wiring that is needed for multiple amp installations.
MONOBLOCK Can only be used to run a subwoofer as they only have a single channel,but will produce better controlled and more accurate bass than a bridged two channel amp.
If you want to power a sub i would recommend getting a MONOBLOCK amp
If you want to power front components then a 2 CHANNEL AMP will suffice
if you want to run a front and back speakers then a 4 CHANNEL AMP is needed
IF you want to run Front and back speakers with a sub then a 5 or 6 CHANNEL AMP will be needed
When choosing an AMP you want to ignore the "MAX" figures. We are only interested in the "RMS" figures. RMS figures basically means the average output of the amp, whereas MAX is a figure the manufacturer "claims" it will reach.
When thinking about the right amp for front components, its best to get something that is close to the RMS figures of the speakers
E.g if you get speakers that are 50w RMS, its best to look for a 2 channel amp that will do 50w RMS x2. This will give the best performance from the speakers.
If you run 50w rms components from the headunit, (which is going to be around 25w rms), then the speakers will not give the best performance.
the same principle applies with Subwoofers as well
OHMS AND IMPEDANCE
This bit will probably confuse the hell out of you!
Subs can come in Dual Voice Coil (DVC) or Single Voice Coil (SVC)
Subs will also come in with OHM ratings. Usually its dual 4 ohm or single 4 ohm
This sub is a single 4ohm voice coil which requires 275w RMS for optimum performance. Obviously there are times where you cannot get an amp with the correct RMS for the sub so anything slighly over or under is fine
Ok so we know that a perfect amp for the above sub will be something that can do 275w RMS @ 4ohm
so something like this amp will do the trick
Right now for subs with DVC!
For example if you bought this sub which is Dual 4ohm. This means it can be wired as 2ohm or 8ohm. 2ohm will obviously be more powerful.
To get 2ohm you will need to wire the sub in parallel
to get 8ohm you will need to wire the sub in series
For best results use this website for wiring diagrams
Now to confuse you some more. What about having 2 subs with dual voice coils?
E.g. 2 subs that are 4 ohm DVC
you can either wire them to 1ohm or 4ohm
Last edited by Shafz; 07-12-2010 at 13:39.
|24-11-2010, 16:36||#2 (permalink)|
Setting up amps in your system
1) turn gains on all amps down
2) pick just one to tune, it doesn't matter. we'll call it the sub amp. disconnect the rest, either power or speakers, doesn't matter. this is so you don't get confused.
3) turn your HU up to 80-90%; mine goes to 35 and i turned it up to 30.
4) pick either a good strong bass beat or (preferably) a bass sine wave, around 50 Hz. rap or hard techno will do too.
5) play the bass beat and turn the gains up slowly until it begins to distort; with subs this is relatively easy to hear.
6) back it down a tad.
7) repeat with all other amps, without changing the gain on the amps you've already set.
8) from here on in, never turn the gains up beyond where you've set them. if one amp is too loud, like your mids and highs overpower your subs, turn the gain on that amp down to match the rest.
9) equalize/shape if needed; attentuate rather than boost if you can. just remember that if your sub amp is at the gain you set it at (it's maximum gain in your current setup) any bass boost will necessitate you keeping the volume down below where it was during the tuning. for example, if the gain on your sub amp is set at 12 'o clock when your hu is at 30, and you then dial in +3 bass on the HU, you'll be limiting your max hu volume to 27-29. if you want to be safe. if you set the other amps properly, you shouldn't have to do this, and if you've only got the one sub amp, it should be more than enough for stock speakers.
the lower you play your normal speakers, the less power they'll be able to handle. the gain on my amp was at about 4 'o clock when the xover was at 185, and it's at like 11 'o clock now that it's xovered at 75.
--mono amps are usually low pass around 80hz and subsonic to what the box is tuned to
Just some random info from other forums
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|24-11-2010, 16:40||#3 (permalink)|
Top Stuff Henry
Yup so much to ICE that some people dont realise
Not even mentioned sound deadening, Box dimensions after displacement, port sizes etc
|24-11-2010, 19:35||#4 (permalink)|
Ohm's Law defines the relationships between (P) power, (E) voltage, (I) current, and (R) resistance. One ohm is the resistance value through which one volt will maintain a current of one ampere.
( I ) Current is what flows on a wire or conductor like water flowing down a river. Current flows from negative to positive on the surface of a conductor. Current is measured in (A) amperes or amps.
( E ) Voltage is the difference in electrical potential between two points in a circuit. It's the push or pressure behind current flow through a circuit, and is measured in (V) volts.
( R ) Resistance determines how much current will flow through a component. Resistors are used to control voltage and current levels. A very high resistance allows a small amount of current to flow. A very low resistance allows a large amount of current to flow. Resistance is measured in ohms.
( P ) Power is the amount of current times the voltage level at a given point measured in wattage or watts.
Was the Pimp Daddy of the Cad Club
|24-11-2010, 19:42||#5 (permalink)|
Low Pass Filters
Low Pass filters allow low frequencies to pass below a selected crossover frequency, filtering out all frequencies above it. In a first order (6dB per octave) filter, this consist of a coil in series with a loudspeaker. Just below the crossover frequency, the coil begins to add resistance to the circuit. At the crossover frequency enough resistance has been added to equal the resistance of the loudspeaker and reduce the power by 3 dB or 50 %. One octave above the crossover frequency, power has been reduced by 6 dB or 75%. Each octave higher reduces the power by an additional 6 dB. The size of the coil will be determined by the impedance of the loudspeaker(s) and the desired crossover point. The larger the size or amount of inductance (millihenries, mHy) is, not physical size, the lower the low pass frequency will be.
6 dB Low Pass Filter
High Pass Filters
High Pass filters allow high frequencies above a selected crossover frequency to pass, filtering out all frequencies below it. In a first order (6dB per octave) filter, this consist of a capacitor in series with a loudspeaker. Just above the crossover frequency, the capacitor begins to add resistance to the circuit. At the crossover frequency enough resistance has been added to equal the resistance of the loudspeaker and reduce the power by 3 dB or 50 %. One octave below the crossover frequency, power has been reduced by 6 dB or 75%. Each octave lower reduces the power by an additional 6 dB. The size of the capacitor will be determined by the impedance of the loudspeaker(s) and the desired crossover point. The smaller the size or value of a capacitor (microfarads, µfd or mfd) is, not physical size, the higher the high pass frequency will be.
6 dB High Pass Filter
This is a bit of info to go with the setting up amplifiers post
Was the Pimp Daddy of the Cad Club
|07-01-2011, 11:46||#6 (permalink)|
Actually just found this really good link on the RF site